C24 to Assist in Falklands Referendum ?

30 Jul

Having announced that a referendum on their future will be held in 2013, the Falkland Islanders’ are now preparing for the complicated process of selecting the questions to be asked; and ensuring that the whole process is seen to be balanced, fair and unbiased.

The referendum was announced just before the United Nation’s decolonisation sub-Committee met in June this year for its annual consideration of the Falkland’s Question. As part of the process of overseeing a legitimate referendum, the Falkland Islands Government will try to recruit independent observers and it would be unthinkable that they would not immediately consider asking the members of the Decolonisation sub-Committee whose role it is to promote self-determination for all the non-self governing territories on its list.

A refusal by the Decolonisation sub-Committee to assist, would be viewed as an abject failure within the United Nations and raise questions about the role of the Committee.

The Falkland Islands have been British sovereign territory since 1765, although Spain maintained a claim to one of the islands until 1863. Argentina insists that it inherited this claim on its independence in 1816. The Decolonisation Committee has become sidelined over recent decades having failed to successfully oversee a single decolonisation in the last 20 years. Its role and budget are currently subject to close scrutiny and it is unlikely to be granted a fourth decade to achieve the objectives of the UN.



18 Responses to “C24 to Assist in Falklands Referendum ?”

  1. CLopez July 30, 2012 at 2:41 pm #

    The Falkland Islands can’t be British since 1765 because from 1774 to 1829 (55 years) they made no claim or assertion of sovereignty, effectively losing any alleged rights over them. Argentina, on the other hand, considered the Malvinas as part of its territory since the first days of the revolution in 1810: http://www.escolares.com.ar/historia/oficio-de-cornelio-savedra-sobre-las-islas-malvinas.html
    because at that time it was still occupied by Spanish troops, many of them ‘criollos’ of the new countries.

    Spain mantained his claim until 1863, not only over BOTH Falkland Islands, but over the whole former colonies (Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc.)

    • M.Fellows July 30, 2012 at 7:48 pm #

      In 1774, economic pressures leading up to the American Revolutionary War forced Great Britain to withdraw from many overseas settlements.[21][22] Upon withdrawal, the British left behind a plaque asserting Britain’s continued claim.

      • CLopez July 31, 2012 at 11:35 am #

        There was an understanding between Spain and Britain that such withdrawal was to be done.

      • lordton1955 July 31, 2012 at 12:06 pm #

        No understanding !

    • Deanstreet July 30, 2012 at 8:52 pm #

      “The Falkland Islands can’t be British since 1765 ”

      take a look at:

      HMS Dolphin - Log Book


      HMS Dolphin - Log Book


      HMS Dolphin - Log Book


      HMS Dolphin - Log Book - January 1765 to June 1766

      Good enough..?

      Kindest regards from the Falkland Islands

      • CLopez July 31, 2012 at 11:34 am #

        No, not enough. If you give up to a territory, you can’t just revive an old claim.

      • lordton1955 July 31, 2012 at 12:05 pm #

        Never given up!

    • lordton1955 July 30, 2012 at 11:21 pm #

      British commerce did not leave and the Royal Navy were there in 1786. Soledad had a Spanish penal colony on it, that is all. They made no bid to take over British West Falkland; or even fly a flag there.

      • CLopez July 31, 2012 at 11:39 am #

        You know quite well they destroyed Port Egmont…

      • lordton1955 July 31, 2012 at 12:07 pm #

        The islands were ‘used ‘ throughout the period 1774 – 1832. You need to learn more history !

      • CLopez July 31, 2012 at 5:04 pm #


      • lordton1955 July 31, 2012 at 11:13 pm #

        They did not. Only the garrison left – it’s in the timeline.


      • CLopez August 1, 2012 at 5:52 pm #

        I quote from your timeline:

        “1777 – The surviving buildings at Port Egmont are destroyed.”


        Which BTW wasn’t worded that way a few months ago. You’ve modified recently, probably because my insistence on this point. It used to say “Spanish troops, in an act of war, destroyed the buildings at Port Egmont” or something like that.

        This confirms beyond doubts that you’re here just to vent a point of view. And that the fact that Spain destroying the remains of Port Egmonts is of great significance.

        Have a good day now.

      • lordton1955 August 1, 2012 at 11:33 pm #

        Actually, it has changed again ( or it will on the next update which may be a few weeks away).

        1780 – Viceroy Vértiz orders the surviving buildings at Port Egmont to be destroyed.[ Las Islas Malvinas R. R.Caillet-Bois 1952]

        There is a constant revision process as I am checking my information, sources and citations.

        You are correct that it was an act of war although there are a number of dates given for this supposed destruction. Originally I had 1780, but then opted for 1777 as new information suggested that earlier date. I have been unable to confirm that though and have reverted to 1780 as I have a definite source and it accords with the fact that the two countries were at war.

        Its significance is questionable. For example I could claim significance in the fact that, being at war, the Viceroy recognised a British possession, and attacked it! (Hmmm … interesting perspective actually – thankyou)

        There is even a question of quite what was destroyed. The wooden parts could be burnt, but the stone structures appear to have remained. There was sufficient for the plaque to be replaced in the same place in 1832 for example.

        The Spanish never raised their flag over West Falkland. Now that IS significant.

        There was a little confusion in our earlier exchange as I was referring to abandonment when I said that “They did not”. My error entirely.

        You have a good day too.

  2. M.Fellows July 31, 2012 at 12:13 pm #

    I love that C.Lopez starts of with ”they cant be British”,
    Then sees evidence of a claim and says ”an understanding” – which implies some sort of claim/deal.
    Then that ” if you give up a territory” which again implies it was a territiory and a claim.
    And is now reduced to ‘they destroyed the fort’ in the few months we were there before being removed.

    So from your just your replies alone we can see at the very least there is some sort of claim ,understanding and there was british infastructure on the islands.
    You might deny a claim but even your own knowledge shows there is one even if you dont agree the islands are not argentinian

    • paul July 31, 2012 at 4:46 pm #

      exellent retorte love it )

    • CLopez August 1, 2012 at 5:44 pm #

      “In the few months we were there before being removed”?
      1774-1833 that’s 59 years or about 700 months…

      I’m not getting your reasoning, I don’t understand why you see a contradiction in my words.

  3. Bloke August 3, 2012 at 12:07 am #

    tbh the minutiae of 19th century sovereignty have been irrelevant since nations signed up to the U.N. charter after 1945.

    Argentina’s claim to the falklands is historically dubious. Argentina’s claim to the south sandwich and south georgia islands is laughably retroactive batshittery and all are TOTALLY irrelevant.

    If you want to change this, invent a time machine and go back in time so Hitler wins WW2 enabling Peron to nick Britain’s south atlantic islands. That WAS the origin of the modern Argie claim to the whole of the south atlantic so it’s a good start point…

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