Timerman retreats over the Falklands

1 Feb

The visit of Hector Timerman, Argentina’s Foreign Minister, to the United Kingdom has been marred by his refusal to meet with a delegation of Falkland Islanders whilst in London. hector-timerman

Argentina’s Ambassador, Alicia Castro, is expected to host the Foreign Minister’s visit next week; but plans for him to hold talks with his British counterpart, William Hague, lie in tatters. Argentina had written to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office requesting a meting of the two Foreign Ministers to discuss a range of issues. Hague’s response was to welcome the opportunity with one proviso; that being a democratic country it would be unthinkable to discuss the Falkland Islands without the Islanders having their representatives present.

Timerman’s petulant response comprised a thinly veiled threat; “It is unfortunate that you reject a bilateral meeting. Your decision will surely affect Argentina’s interest in working with the United Kingdom in the G20, the UN Security Council, matters of nuclear proliferation, human trafficking, money laundering, drugs, investment, trade, human rights and many others in which both countries are active members of the international community,” before offering an invitation to the Foreign Secretary to; “.. visit Argentina and hold a bilateral meeting, so you can appreciate that our country is a true democracy where my foreign counterparts can meet freely with whomever they want without me pressuring them.”

The Argentine letter ended  with a rather rudely worded; “Finally, it is not necessary for you to keep attempting to make appointments during my coming visit to London, leave that for our very efficient embassy”.

According to the Economist Intelligence Unit’s ‘Democracy Index’, Uruguay is the only true democracy in South America, with Argentina falling into the “Flawed” section. Argentina refuses to recognise that the Islanders should have any say in either talks, or indeed, their own future. The Falkland Islands’  Government, however, are putting the lie to this with a referendum in March in which the peoples of the Falkland Islanders will have the opportunity to decide whether or not they wish to retain their current association with the UK.

The Falkland Islands were first claimed by Britain in 1765. Argentina has a narrow, arguably distorted, version of history upon which it rests a claim to the South Atlantic archipelago based upon an inheritance from Spain.

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27 Responses to “Timerman retreats over the Falklands”

  1. Clematys February 1, 2013 at 1:33 am #

    Mamma Albion shielding herself behind her kids. Very brave of her.

    • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 3:42 am #

      As opposed to running away like Argentina ??

    • Phil Foster February 1, 2013 at 8:34 am #

      Not an argument of course but just as incoherent as Argentine ‘diplomacy’. You contradict yourselves at every turn. You accuse the Falkland Islanders of ‘hiding behind the British garrison stationed there’ and then you accuse the British of hiding behind the Falkland Islanders. Bizarre.

      You apply for a meeting with the UK FO and when you get a welcome reply not only do you turn it down but you then accuse the British of pestering you with applications for meetings whilst at the same time crying to the UN that the British won’t talk to you about the Falkland Islands.

      You see no irony or contradiction in any of this. You are a joke.

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 9:27 am #

        If you you want to delve into the real incoherent and bizarre, the word Chagos should remind you of something, and steer you exactly in that direction.

        The “welcome reply” you refer to is the latest British diplomatic blunder. You don’t know what a bilateral meeting means do you? The rest of the World knows.

        Mamma Albion can still hide behind her kids and use them as shields for her geopolitical ambitions, but for how long? Time goes by and the neighbourhood keeps on growing. Her incoherent and bizarre behaviour isn’t going unnoticed anymore.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 9:35 am #

        I’m sure that eventually the Chagos Islands will be returned to Mauritius. The Chagos Islanders are, after all, Mauritians.

        You do talk some rubbish Clematys !

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 9:59 am #

        Make no mistake. Time’s is a great healer. Eventually the South Atlantic islands will also be returned to Argentina, and the incoherent and bizarre British attitudes of the last few centuries will fill some pages of Humanity’s history books. What Nero and Caligula have done will be considered child’s play in comparison.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 12:22 pm #

        Dreamland !

  2. Fernando February 1, 2013 at 4:28 am #

    Nosotros nunca vamos a abandonar el reclamo por nuestras islas Malvinas, pero tampoco vamos a abandonarlos a ustedes, lo que hizo un gobierno autoritario de mi pais no tiene excusa y entiendo perfectamente su posicion, pero tenga por seguro que cuando los britanicos se desentiendan de nuestra isla, como lo hicieron antes de la guerra de 1982, nosotros no los vamos a abandonar. Mis sinceros saludos.

    • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 9:32 am #

      They are not ‘your’ Falkland Islands. They have never been ‘your’ Falkland Islands. Argentina has no claim.

      • juana barrionuevo February 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm #

        hahaha..!!!! nuestras Islas Malvinas, ton1955 (en nuestro patria no hay títulos de nobleza). Además tu solo eres un colono inglés. Juana

  3. Terry Hill February 1, 2013 at 10:35 am #

    Clematys,

    “Tomorrows only exist in the minds of dreamers and losers”
    Robert Kiyosaki American motivational speaker

    • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 11:02 am #

      Assuming you have possessions of any kind. If someone steals from you, you try to recover your possessions, or you can spend your time reading quotes to yourself. Are you preparing to live as a dispossessed hermit, or as a hypocritical possessor?

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

        You did not have “possession of ANY kind”

  4. Terry Hill February 1, 2013 at 10:39 am #

    Fernando

    Losers live in the past. Winners learn from the past and enjoy working in the present toward the future.
    Denis Waitley American motivational speaker and writer

    • Fernando February 2, 2013 at 1:31 am #

      precisamente porque aprendimos del pasado, sabemos lo que no tenemos que hacer, nuestro pais va a seguir reclamando el territorio usurpado por la via diplomatica y siempre respetando las normas internacionales, precisamente lo que no respeta el gobierno ingles en cualquier lugar del mundo donde estuvo. Pero siempre vamos a clamar y reclamar lo que es nuestro, es nuestra causa nacional. saludos y excelente debate. Lo bueno de esto que ambos adversarios aman ese pedazo de tierra en el sur atlantico!.

      • lordton1955 February 2, 2013 at 6:07 am #

        It is your national nonsense !

  5. Robert English February 1, 2013 at 12:18 pm #

    It just shows that they ( Argentina Goverment has not chanced in 31 years) I can not ever see The Falklands Ireland’s ever going back to Argentina ever. And till their is a Goverment in Argentina that respects the Kelps and their way of life ( witch they don’t ) then it’s not going to be resolved at all

    • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 12:21 pm #

      They cannnot “go back” as they were never there in the first place.

      • Robert Engish February 1, 2013 at 4:30 pm #

        Its their home, and no one elses !

    • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

      The Ireland bit must be a Freudian slip surely.

  6. timpany February 1, 2013 at 4:08 pm #

    [Argentine respects there citizens, I don't think so ]

    UN Human Rights Council calls on Argentina to stop eviction of indigenous peoples from their lands:

    United Nations Special Rapporteur on Indigenous Peoples, James Anaya called on Argentina to cease the eviction of indigenous communities from their lands, during the presentation of the annual report of his office before the UN Human Rights council in Geneva.

    “The grave legal insecurity in indigenous lands has been reflected in the high number of indigenous communities’ evictions” points out the report elaborated on data collected by Anaya during a mission to Argentina in 2011. Anaya and his staff besides Buenos Aires City visited ten of the 23 provinces and completed 170 testimonies.

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IPeoples/SRIndigenousPeoples/Pages/SRIPeoplesIndex.aspx

  7. The King of Shin February 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm #

    You ask the Argentines to come and have a talk about the Falklands, and they refuse. That’s the matter closed ad finitum.

    Clematys et al. can continue to build themselves up to some kind of mental episode about it, but none of what these La Campora folks say have any bearing on reality.

    • Clematys February 2, 2013 at 2:30 am #

      Timerman should now invite Hague to talk about the islands, this time in Argentina, and bring along Vernet and his extended family and friends, lock, stock and barrel, After all, they’ve been expelled from the islands by the British invasion in 1833. And why not broadcast the meeting to the whole nation? Hague couldn’t turn down the invitation surely?

      • lordton1955 February 2, 2013 at 6:07 am #

        He could take along the British warning of 1829 :-)

      • Bill McGraw February 4, 2013 at 12:35 am #

        Sorry about that, but Timmerman refused to sit down and discuss the islands (his reasons and excuses are his own, it matters not) so now the matter is formally resolved. The head of the UN said that the UK wasn’t ignoring any resolutions, and now the matter of the discussions about Argentina demanding things is simply closed. You lost the opportunity.

        Maybe you should get on with your life now.

      • Don Alberto February 21, 2013 at 9:13 pm #

        If the British evicted the settlers in january 1833, how come Rivero and his gang were still on the islands?

        Name those members of Vernet’s extended family and friends who were expelled in 1833. As you have been told numerous times, the source for their non-existence is in the official Argentine document from the Pinedo trial in 1833:
        Lista de la tropa, sus familias y peones de la isla de Malvinas, que vienen de pasaje en la “Sarandi”

        Original source: Archivo General de la Nación, Sala III, 16-6-5, doc. 1320

        Photocopy of Pinedo’s printed statement: ttp://farm6.staticflickr.com/5053/5533028871_5a2bfae23c_b.jpg

        Clematys, you have been referred to this official Argentine document many times. Why do you keep harping on the “expelled” myth, when you know it to be false as proved by the above document?

  8. Bongo February 1, 2013 at 7:24 pm #

    Every single effort, both military and diplomatic, on the part of Argentina to get their hands on the Falkland Islands has to date failed.

    I see this trend continuing indefinitely.

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