Timerman to stake Argentina’s claim to the Falklands in London

30 Jan

Argentina’s Foreign Minister is coming to London next month in an attempt to forward his country’s claim to the Falkland Islands and diminish the importance of the Islands’ referendum due to be held in March. Timerman Clouder

Claiming that his ‘conference’ will be attended by 80 ‘leading figures’ from Europe who have, according to Argentina’s Foreign Ministry, been calling for Britain to negotiate over the archipelago, Hector Timerman is expected to explain why the right of self-determination does not apply to the Falkland Islanders.

The event, planned for February the 6th and 7th is private, and hosted by Argentina’s Ambassador to London, Alicia Castro, at her home. Counter arguments, showing that Argentina has never had a claim to the Falklands, are not expected to be allowed.

Argentina’s Government is claiming ‘unprecedented’ international support for its claims although apparently unwilling to back that up with any evidence.

The right to self-determination is granted to ALL peoples under the United Nation’s Charter signed in 1945. The UN itself recommends that the best way to determine what a people want is for a plebiscite or referendum to he held. The Falkland Islands Government is planning just such a referendum in March 2013 to ask the people there whether they wish to remain British.

Argentina claims that 2013 is the 180th year since its fledgling colony was removed by force in 1833. There is no mention that 2013 is also the 184th year since Britain warned Buenos Aires to stay away from the British Territory, or that 2013 is the 248th anniversary of Britain claiming the South Atlantic archipelago.

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33 Responses to “Timerman to stake Argentina’s claim to the Falklands in London”

  1. Clematys January 31, 2013 at 1:36 am #

    This is a question of Decolonisation, Sovereignty and Territorial integrity, before anything resembling self-determination can be applied.

    • timpany January 31, 2013 at 4:34 am #

      Decolonisation: the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization has stated that in the process of decolonization there is NO alternative to the colonizer’s allowance of self-determination. [ The referendum in March will settle this point, by allowing the islanders the right to choose their own future, the colonizing power or others have no rights to overule the will of the people. ]

      • Clematys January 31, 2013 at 1:38 pm #

        If only all the other rules didn’t exist, your analysis would be right. The UN aren’t stupid and can’t simply ignore the longstanding colonial situation and territorial dispute. If they were in any way inclined to believe in the concocted British version of events and unilateral “solutions” for the problem, they’d have already acquiesced, but as usual, things smell very fishy on the British side. That’s the reason the UN take a very cautious approach. Simply put, the British aren’t trusted.

    • lordton1955 January 31, 2013 at 11:47 am #

      Argentina of course cannot claim ‘territorial integrity’ as the Falklands have never been a part of Argentina’s territory.

      • Clematys January 31, 2013 at 1:40 pm #

        Nonsense

      • lordton1955 January 31, 2013 at 11:21 pm #

        You do indeed talk nonsense! But no, the Falkland Islands have never been a part of Argentina’s territory.

      • tiger20001 January 31, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

        Its just the first of no doubt many ‘stunts’ that Argentina will try to pull in the run up to the March referendum.

        Decolonisation – The islands are not a colony and have not been for many years, they are a self sufficent self governing territory of the UK that due to the aggressive stance and past agression from Argentina has to rely on UK forces to protect it from Argentina.

        Sovereignty and Territorial integrity – Since The Falkland Islands have never been part of Argentina those claims are totally irrelevent.

        The will of the people of The Falkland Islands will decide what their political status will be…not a UN Commitee, The Argentine Ambassodor to the UK or the Argentine Government.

        If the Argentine Government, Armed Forces and people don’t like the out come of the referendum then tough, they can go crying to the UN and other groups, in the meantime the Falklanders will contine with their chosen way of life that many generations of the islanders have enjoyed compared to the chaos that has been Argentina for the past 50 years or so.

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 12:21 am #

        The colonial status of those islands, territories and surrounding waters are recognised by the UN nonetheless.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 3:41 am #

        Err no – the UN recognises the Falklands as being a non-self governing territory. South georgia and the South Sandwich Islands do not feature on the UN’s list at all !

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 8:22 am #

        You can keep sticking your head in the sand Lord, but there is a Decolonization Committee at the UN specifically dealing with recognised colonial cases. The word Decolonization isn’t there for decorative purposes, and the other islands you mention are linked to the same recognised colonial case.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 9:33 am #

        Decolonisatio does not include Recolonisation – The UN has never taken a colony away from one country to give it to another. I think it is you that has sand in his ears!

  2. Joe Thorpe January 31, 2013 at 11:37 am #

    Personally I’d accidently shoot his plane down in the South Atlantic & be done with this idiot

    • timpany February 1, 2013 at 1:17 am #

      Our self-respect as a virile people obliges us to put down as soon as possible, by reason or by force, this handful of savages who destroy our wealth and prevent us from definitely occupying, in the name of law, progress and our own security, the richest and most fertile lands of the Republic.
      —Julio Argentino Roca – said before embarking on a campaign to massacre the indigenous people of Patagonia and steal their lands.

      @Clematys, Do you also want Patagonia to be decolonized, or do you only want to use decolonisation as an excuse for yet another in a long series of hostile land grabs by the sons and daughters of Spanish colonists at the expense on the indigenous people.

      P.S. I wonder if the Falklands islanders would ever vote to join a country that was up until few years ago throwing the bodies of tortured Nuns out of planes over the Atlantic to hide its crimes.

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 8:37 am #

        Argentina will gladly “decolonise” territories when the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa do the same. It’s that simple. Have you already spoken to them about it?

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 9:34 am #

        hey, no problem. Britain won’t either :-)

  3. Bongo February 1, 2013 at 1:51 am #

    Clematys,

    There are no legally binding UN resolutions which require the UK to hand the Falkland Islands over to Argentina.

    Consequently the UK is not obliged to negotiate such a handover.

    • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 8:47 am #

      The UK is not yet obliged, but the pressure will just keep on growing. Latin America’s clout and influence is set to rise exponentially in the next few decades and centuries, so you know what the future holds.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 9:35 am #

        Latin America’s clout ?? My, but you do live in a fantasy world.

      • Joe Thorpe February 1, 2013 at 10:55 am #

        Its wont grow in my mine one iota, bunch of lefty clowns that couldnt run a piss up in a brewery which is why they all try to get up to the US at the first opportunity. Argentina are a bunch of racist clowns that are fast becoming persona non grata in the civilised world. No one outside their little bubble of like minded clowns will invest in that country & a trade deal with the EU will be a long time coming until Argentina pays off its debts. I doubt the loony witch will allow her government jet to come to London in case it gets sequestrated by one of her creditors :-)

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 11:13 am #

        Obama has been just reelected by a “bunch of lefty clowns”, as you put it. They appear to make up the majority these days. You can happily join them, or drown on your own bile.

  4. Terry Hill February 1, 2013 at 10:48 am #

    Clematys,

    Let the pressure grow its meaningless, and completely ineffective, in terms of legally being able achieve anything.

    • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 12:31 pm #

      I didn’t say let the pressure grow. I said the pressure will keep on growing. That’s obvious, if this ridiculous colonial situation doesn’t come to an end sooner rather than later.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 12:34 pm #

        What pressure ???

      • Clematys February 1, 2013 at 12:41 pm #

        Pressure cook, Lord. We are making a soup and kelp is one of the ingredients.

      • lordton1955 February 1, 2013 at 1:55 pm #

        You are making dish water !

  5. Bongo February 1, 2013 at 7:17 pm #

    Clematys,

    Well, well, an Argentinian making threats. We don’t see that often do we?

    What you fail to take into account is that in decades to come the Falkland Islands will continue to grow and prosper, especially with an injection of oil revenue. They will be in a stronger than ever position to forge their own destiny and are unlikely to suffer any further nonsense from you.

    Despite your delusions the whole of Latin America is not going to fight the UK over Argentina’s entirely spurious claims.

    • Clematys February 2, 2013 at 2:38 am #

      If you believe people and nations are not willing or prepared to fight for natural resources, your analysis is entirely consistent. For those who believe in the opposite, you are naive at best.

      • bongo February 2, 2013 at 1:01 pm #

        So are you claiming that the natural resources existing in Falklands waters also belong to Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay, etc, etc as well as Argentina, and that those countries are going to fight the UK for them? Really?

      • Clematys February 3, 2013 at 9:27 am #

        They also belong to Argentina and South America, and not in any way whatsoever to the UK or Europe. All those countries you mention can fight for natural resources as any other countries in the World, particularly when the resources are located in South American territory.

      • timpany February 3, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

        You do make some bonkers statements. Since Argentina and South America are all run by the descendants of the original Spanish and Portuguese colonists, is South America not already owned by Europeans. Just saying you are South American does not change the blood in your veins.

      • Clematys February 3, 2013 at 7:55 pm #

        Tell North Americans or Australians they are owned by Europeans, and they will tell you exactly where to go. South Americans think the same.

      • lordton1955 February 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm #

        Argentina is not owned by Europeans. The Falkland Islands are!

      • Clematys February 4, 2013 at 12:51 pm #

        They soon won’t be.

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